Episode 30

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1st Jun 2026

Care and the pluriverse - with Maggie FitzGerald

How can we make ethical decisions in a world that includes multiple and diverse forms of life, and what can care ethics contribute to developing a pluriversal ethics? What did the COVID-19 pandemic demonstrate about the nature of human vulnerability? And can violence ever be justified within an ethic of care?

These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Maggie FitzGerald. Maggie is an Associate Professor in the Department of Political Studies at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada. She has a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics with a specialisation in political economy from St. Thomas University in Fredericton, New Brunswick, and a Master of Arts in Political Economy from Carleton University in Ottawa, where she also completed her doctorate in the Department of Political Science.

Maggie's research focuses on the ethics of care, global ethics and international political theory, decolonial ethics, normative and critical international relations theory, and feminist political economy. Her work has appeared in journals such as Ethics and Social Welfare, the Journal of International Political Theory, and the International Journal of Care and Caring. Maggie is the author of the book Care and the Pluriverse: Rethinking Global Ethics, which was published by Bristol University Press in 2022. She is also the co-editor with Sophie Bourgault and Fiona Robinson of the collection Decentering Epistemologies and Challenging Privilege: Critical Care Ethics Perspectives, which was published by Rutgers University Press in 2024.

We discuss the following topics in this episode:

Maggie's professional and academic journey (02:41)

Feminist theorists who have influenced Maggie's thinking (05:38)

The 'pluriverse' as concept (07:29)

Introducing Care and the Pluriverse (08:30)

Using case studies from indigenous contexts (09:45)

Decentering global ethics (12:20)

A critique of modernity (16:12)

Towards a critical, political ethics of care (17:53)

COVID-19, vulnerability and the ethics of care (21:41)

Combining Lacan, Žižek and care ethics(24:20)

Decentering the self, decentering care (26:50)

Violence, trauma, care and repair (33:20)

Love and care (41:43)

Maggie's plans for a new book on care and repair (47:20)

Writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode

Joan Tronto

Fiona Robinson

Sophie Bourgault

Tiina Vaittenen

Riikka Prattes

Vrinda Dalmiya

Maurice Hamington

Kimberly Hutchings

Kate Schick

Margaret Urban Walker

Marisol de la Cadena

Sara Ruddick

Carol Gilligan

Jacques Lacan

Slavoj Žižek

Parvati Raghuram

Sacha Ghandeharian

Naomi Snider

Michael Flowers

Catia Confortini

Abigail Ruane

Frantz Fanon

Nancy Fraser

Elena Pulcini

bell hooks

Journal articles by Maggie discussed in the episode

'COVID-19, the trauma of the "real" and the political import of vulnerability'

'Violence and Care: Fanon and the Ethics of Care on Harm, Trauma, and Repair'

Other publications mentioned in the episode

Margaret Urban Walker, Moral Understandings: A Feminist Study in Ethics

Martin Robb, 'Knowing, loving, caring: some questions, connections and reflections' (Substack post)

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Care Ethics Research Consortium

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About the Podcast

Careful Thinking
Exploring ideas about care
At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully?

Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care.

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About your host

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Martin Robb

Martin Robb is Professor of Care Ethics and Culture at The Open University (UK), where his research has focused on questions of identity, relationships, and care. He is the author of 'Men, Masculinities and the Care of Children: Images, Ideas and Identities' (2020) and the co-editor of 'Men and Loss: New Perspectives on Bereavement, Grief and Masculinity' (2025).