Episode 16

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1st Nov 2024

The transformative power of care - with Elissa Strauss

What are the physical, psychological and spiritual benefits of caring for others? How does caregiving benefit society, and what could society do to value care more? In what ways does care change men, and how can we encourage men to participate more in caregiving? And how are care and spirituality connected?

These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Elissa Strauss. Elissa is a journalist, essayist, and opinion writer, based in Oakland, California, who has been writing about the culture and politics of care for fifteen years. Her work has appeared in publications such as The New York Times and The Atlantic, and she has been a contributing writer for CNN and Slate, where her articles have focussed on feminism and motherhood. In addition to her work as a writer, Elissa is also an artistic director of LABA: A Laboratory for Jewish Culture.

Elissa's book, When You Care: The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others, was published earlier this year to widespread acclaim. Reviewers have described the book as 'brilliantly argued and timely', 'urgent and necessary', and 'destined to be a modern classic'.

We discuss the following topics in this episode:

How Elissa got started as a writer (02:10)

Why Elissa wrote When You Care (03:18)

The main message of the book (07:50)

Discovering meaning and purpose through caregiving (09:38)

The social, political and economic value of care (13:48)

The ambivalent image of motherhood and caregiving in feminist literature (20:55)

Breaking down the 'glass doors' : building a feminism of care (25:58)

The forgotten history of care feminism and its lessons for today(29:20)

Men and care (33:36)

The physical and psychological benefits of caregiving (40:43)

Elissa's discovery of feminist care ethics (46:14)

Care and spirituality (50:55)

The need for political and cultural change to support caregiving (58:00)

Elissa's plans for future research and writing (01:01:30)

Elissa's recent articles

'I hated the story of Abraham and Isaac - until I became a mother', Kveller

'The branch of philosophy all parents should know', The Atlantic

Other publications discussed in the episode

Rachel Cusk, A Life's Work

Nell Noddings, Caring

Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode

Eva Feder Kittay

Carol Gilligan

Sheryl Sandberg

Johnnie Tillmon

John Rawls

Phyllis Deane

Other links

'Made with Care' (Elissa's Substack newsletter)

'Young men, masculinity and wellbeing' (Martin's research with Promundo)

Equimundo: Center for Masculinities and Social Jusitice (formerly Promundo)

Eshet Chayil (traditional Jewish poem/song)

For a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack

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About the Podcast

Careful Thinking
Exploring ideas about care
At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully?

Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care.

If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com. And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.

About your host

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Martin Robb

Martin Robb is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Health, Wellbeing and Social Care at The Open University (UK), where his research has focused on men, masculinities and care. He is the author of 'Men, Masculinities and the Care of Children: Images, Ideas and Identities' (2020) and the co-editor of 'Men and Loss: New Perspectives on Bereavement, Grief and Masculinity' (2024).