Episode 7

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23rd Apr 2024

Dance, empathy and care - with Christine Leroy

What is the connection between dance and care, and in what sense can dance be described as an ethical activity? What does it mean to say that empathy is anchored in the body? And what are the implications for the practice of care and for care ethics?

These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with Christine Leroy. Christine is a researcher at the University of Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne, working at the intersection of philosophy, dance, and care ethics. She also directs a dance theatre company and leads contact dance improvisation workshops in clinical settings. Christine is the author of Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique, published in 2021, which develops original and intriguing connections between the experience of dance and the practice of care. She is also the author of La phénoménologie, published in 2018, a useful introduction to some key phenomenological thinkers, and of Le corps, from 2022. With Chiara Palermo, Christine edited the collection Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité, also published in 2022. Although most of Christine’s writings have yet to be translated from French, she is the author of a forthcoming article in English, ‘Performance and bodily anchoring of care: dance’s power to care’, which will be published later this year.

We discuss the following topics in this episode:

Christine's training in dance and philosophy (03:03)

The influence of Maurice Merleau-Ponty and other phenomenological thinkers on Christine's work (05:40)

Phénoménologie de la danse (09:10)

Dance as an ethical activity and the bodily anchoring of care (11:26)

'Kinaesthetic empathy' (15:15)

Kinaesthetic empathy in the dance works of Angelin Preljocaj (21:40)

The influence of Donald Winnicott on Christine's thinking (24:01)

Dance, care and self-care (27:18)

Dance, empathy and disability (28:27)

The concept of portance (33:50)

Translating 'care' (37:25)

Christine's work with 'Clown Up' (41:05)

Working with dance in clinical settings (46:05)

Plans for future research (48:45)

Links to a selection of Christine's publications

Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique

La phénoménologie

Le corps

Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité

Other publications, artworks and organisations mentioned in the episode

Maurice Merleau-Ponty, 'Eye and Mind'

Susan Lanzoni, Empathy: A History

Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Émile, ou De l’éducation

Wim Vandekeybus, Blush

Angelin Preljocaj, Le Parc

Angelin Preljocaj, Gravity

Lloyd Newson/DV8, The Cost of Living

'Clown Up'

Some of the writers, thinkers and artists discussed in the episode

Maurice Merleau-Ponty

Renaud Barbaras

Jan Patočka 

Emmanuel de Saint Aubert

Aloys Fischer

Theodor Lipps

Edward B. Titchener

Edith Stein

Maurice Hamington

Wim Vanderkeybus

Vittorio Gallese

Donald Winnicott

David Toole

Magali Saby

Sandra Laugier

Patricia Paperman

Cecile De Verneuil

For a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.

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About the Podcast

Careful Thinking
Exploring ideas about care
At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully?

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Martin Robb

Martin Robb is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Health, Wellbeing and Social Care at The Open University (UK), where his research has focused on men, masculinities and care. He is the author of 'Men, Masculinities and the Care of Children: Images, Ideas and Identities' (2020) and the co-editor of 'Men and Loss: New Perspectives on Bereavement, Grief and Masculinity' (2024).